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		<title>By: WritingSEO &#187; Measuring What&#8230;?</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3578</link>
		<dc:creator>WritingSEO &#187; Measuring What&#8230;?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - put those feelings-translated-into-actions firmly in context, looking at all possible variables. Rob Clark, of Social Media Group, recognized this when he blogged: &#8220;&#8230;your podcast had 1,000 downloads today, but it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; put those feelings-translated-into-actions firmly in context, looking at all possible variables. Rob Clark, of Social Media Group, recognized this when he blogged: &#8220;&#8230;your podcast had 1,000 downloads today, but it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Clark</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3577</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh   Definitely agree.  Some of the most valuable data you can collect is &#039;something isn&#039;t working.&#039;  Whilst no one wants to be the bearer of bad news, it&#039;s far worse for everyone if management is making decisions based on faulty assumptions. Of course, management can help by encouraging the flow of information, good or bad, and not shooting any messengers.

@Joseph   Too much analysis occurs in a vacuum; looking at a fixed point in time and attributing motives without any real sense of history or wider ranging issues.  Not seeing the forest for the trees as it were.

Actions and gestures can provide a level of inference as to motive, but what&#039;s extremely important to remember is that at the end of the day, we&#039;re dealing with people. Thanks for the link to ORMS - Reputation and ID are going to be key issues in the coming years, so it&#039;s helpful to stay on top of what the current technical developments in that space are.

@Arthur   Well, the cups are biodegradable.  As for the fossil fuels, I know an XL-DblDbl may seem like rocket fuel, but it&#039;s just coffee.  Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh   Definitely agree.  Some of the most valuable data you can collect is &#8216;something isn&#8217;t working.&#8217;  Whilst no one wants to be the bearer of bad news, it&#8217;s far worse for everyone if management is making decisions based on faulty assumptions. Of course, management can help by encouraging the flow of information, good or bad, and not shooting any messengers.</p>
<p>@Joseph   Too much analysis occurs in a vacuum; looking at a fixed point in time and attributing motives without any real sense of history or wider ranging issues.  Not seeing the forest for the trees as it were.</p>
<p>Actions and gestures can provide a level of inference as to motive, but what&#8217;s extremely important to remember is that at the end of the day, we&#8217;re dealing with people. Thanks for the link to ORMS &#8211; Reputation and ID are going to be key issues in the coming years, so it&#8217;s helpful to stay on top of what the current technical developments in that space are.</p>
<p>@Arthur   Well, the cups are biodegradable.  As for the fossil fuels, I know an XL-DblDbl may seem like rocket fuel, but it&#8217;s just coffee.  Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3576</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing that I have had only one winner out of 450+ tries in the past five years during the contest, I think I&#039;m going to balance both you and Zoe out when I get into the office in two weeks.

I guarantee you that Tim Horton&#039;s spent countless amounts of fossil fuels and spewed a huge amount of greenhouse gases, if not the waste that 450+ cups makes for me to win one donut.

Context is definitely everything. Is one donut worth the investment that I put in with the 450+ large caffeinated drinks that I&#039;ve bought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing that I have had only one winner out of 450+ tries in the past five years during the contest, I think I&#8217;m going to balance both you and Zoe out when I get into the office in two weeks.</p>
<p>I guarantee you that Tim Horton&#8217;s spent countless amounts of fossil fuels and spewed a huge amount of greenhouse gases, if not the waste that 450+ cups makes for me to win one donut.</p>
<p>Context is definitely everything. Is one donut worth the investment that I put in with the 450+ large caffeinated drinks that I&#8217;ve bought?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; SEO Copywriting For &#8216;Newbies&#8217; - Day 15: Tough Work? &#8220;Not So Much&#8230;&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3575</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; SEO Copywriting For &#8216;Newbies&#8217; - Day 15: Tough Work? &#8220;Not So Much&#8230;&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my eye in print this morning in an entertaining and informative posting on social marketing by Social Media Group&#8217;s blogster, Rob Clark (see &#8220;Lies, Damn Lies and a Large Double Double&#8221;.  If you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my eye in print this morning in an entertaining and informative posting on social marketing by Social Media Group&#8217;s blogster, Rob Clark (see &#8220;Lies, Damn Lies and a Large Double Double&#8221;.  If you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Fiore</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3574</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Fiore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Rob,

Very interesting post and analogy.  It appears that context is an important part of understanding people&#039;s perceptions about us.  When speaking specifically about reputations, it&#039;s become increasingly important to understand context.  We can collect metrics to understand things about web audiences, but its not always the case that we can change people&#039;s perceptions.

Another way of looking at is that for some, reputations can be this tidy social currency that we like to carry around with us everywhere we go - a lot like we would our credit report when asking the bank for a loan.   For others, constantly being looked at under a magnifying glass or under the careful and watchful eye of web critics can be a challenge.  The latter can be especially punishing to ones reputation if you don&#039;t have a way to understand exactly why you may have fallen out of favour with web audiences - an important first step to help improve the optics of a situation.

The role of reputation metrics ought to work to help us better understand, for instance, why a green campaign won&#039;t work.  With metrics, we ought to be able to base it on the overwhelming web-based evidence of past failures, or if the verdict has already been passed by the web audiences who have deemed similar strategies a sham.

There may also be cultural sensitivities to the approaches used in communications strategies that might be overlooked if we haven&#039;t spent enough time aggregating metrics to help inform our decisions.  The campaign may have been a hit in one market, but being able to guage online temperatures by geography can significantly help to avert a potential disaster.

I see metrics and context being linked and serving as an integral part of brand and reputation monitoring.  I especially see the two working together to help achieve a better understanding of audience influence.  There is at least one effort that you may or may not have already heard being headed by the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS) to arrive at an Open Reputation Management Standards (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=orms&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ORMS&lt;/a&gt;).   As an ORM services and solutions provider, this is one development that we are watching with a keen interest.

Joseph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rob,</p>
<p>Very interesting post and analogy.  It appears that context is an important part of understanding people&#8217;s perceptions about us.  When speaking specifically about reputations, it&#8217;s become increasingly important to understand context.  We can collect metrics to understand things about web audiences, but its not always the case that we can change people&#8217;s perceptions.</p>
<p>Another way of looking at is that for some, reputations can be this tidy social currency that we like to carry around with us everywhere we go &#8211; a lot like we would our credit report when asking the bank for a loan.   For others, constantly being looked at under a magnifying glass or under the careful and watchful eye of web critics can be a challenge.  The latter can be especially punishing to ones reputation if you don&#8217;t have a way to understand exactly why you may have fallen out of favour with web audiences &#8211; an important first step to help improve the optics of a situation.</p>
<p>The role of reputation metrics ought to work to help us better understand, for instance, why a green campaign won&#8217;t work.  With metrics, we ought to be able to base it on the overwhelming web-based evidence of past failures, or if the verdict has already been passed by the web audiences who have deemed similar strategies a sham.</p>
<p>There may also be cultural sensitivities to the approaches used in communications strategies that might be overlooked if we haven&#8217;t spent enough time aggregating metrics to help inform our decisions.  The campaign may have been a hit in one market, but being able to guage online temperatures by geography can significantly help to avert a potential disaster.</p>
<p>I see metrics and context being linked and serving as an integral part of brand and reputation monitoring.  I especially see the two working together to help achieve a better understanding of audience influence.  There is at least one effort that you may or may not have already heard being headed by the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS) to arrive at an Open Reputation Management Standards (<a href="http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=orms" rel="nofollow">ORMS</a>).   As an ORM services and solutions provider, this is one development that we are watching with a keen interest.</p>
<p>Joseph</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Allison</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3573</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

I was recently on a CPRS media crawl in Victoria where we toured various traditional news media (radio, newspaper, television). A number of times, when asked about ratings, the TV folks at two different stations admitted their ratings numbers could be spun every which direction to present a favourable impression.

From this example, it seems it’s not just online media with this issue.

Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>I was recently on a CPRS media crawl in Victoria where we toured various traditional news media (radio, newspaper, television). A number of times, when asked about ratings, the TV folks at two different stations admitted their ratings numbers could be spun every which direction to present a favourable impression.</p>
<p>From this example, it seems it’s not just online media with this issue.</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Chambers</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3571</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh how I miss Tim Horton&#039;s. I&#039;m in DC these days, and spent some time living in Canada...and I miss Timmy&#039;s.

Great analogy though. Context is everything. I think it&#039;s also worth mentioning that not only do you need context; but the humility to accept the facts when the data is disagreeing with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh how I miss Tim Horton&#8217;s. I&#8217;m in DC these days, and spent some time living in Canada&#8230;and I miss Timmy&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Great analogy though. Context is everything. I think it&#8217;s also worth mentioning that not only do you need context; but the humility to accept the facts when the data is disagreeing with you.</p>
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		<title>By: zoe</title>
		<link>http://socialmediagroup.com/2008/04/21/lies-damn-lies-and-a-large-double-double/comment-page-1/#comment-3572</link>
		<dc:creator>zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, actually, with one of my winning tabs I got another coffee and won. Also, someone bought me a coffee and I won. So, i guess that means I&#039;m at 200%. ;)

z</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, actually, with one of my winning tabs I got another coffee and won. Also, someone bought me a coffee and I won. So, i guess that means I&#8217;m at 200%. <img src='http://socialmediagroup.com/new/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>z</p>
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